A lot of people are found to have some form of auto-immune illness. Perhaps this will be of some help to those in search of answers.

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I have some auto-immune illnesses myself, and so do lots of others. Hope you will read more about the current information. It was an improvement on what I had already seen. All information on this topic is of value.
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Kara Shalee, Greetings. Great post, thank you. I also have an auto-immune illness. I have fought with this Multiple Sclerosis now for three years. One point that I wish to make is the onset of this disease comes on like a lion with no indication of any kind that there is something wrong. It also takes about a year for the diagnosis to be confirmed since MS mimics many other diseases so it is a process that takes lots of testing and time. By then the "other" symptoms start showing up. Walking for me is history, wheel chair bound in three and a half years. Forget- fullness, not remembering close friends names, addresses, phone numbers to name a few are also casualties of the brain lesions. The attack on the spinal cord is what takes the balance away and walking is not too pretty, falls happen a lot. Spastic, shaky, spills easily when eating. The last can be fun if in a good restaurant. There is a new pill version for recurring/remittal MS which is the one I have and is in its secondary stage. Just a few things extra that can help. Thank you for posting.
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Hi smellsofpoo,
MS is very nasty. I have some relations with that, so I've seen firsthand. Even so, it isn't like actually having it. Is it the myelin sheath that is under attack (sorry not sure of spelling)? I have also heard that there are many different types. You have named two here. I am under the impression that there are several. They say if you have something long enough, that you become like the Dr of it, so therefore my questions. You are the expert. On this particular branch of my own family tree, only the females (and not all of them) got it. None of the males. However, Montel Williams has it. I am wondering about the female-male ratio, and also the genetic connection.
When you say there is a new pill version therapy for your type of MS, but that it is in it's secondary stage, do you mean that you are on a drug trial for it? Or that the drug itself is in it's secondary stage somehow? Do you feel there may be any hope for stem cell therapy as well? I'm sorry for all of the questions. When you have an expert on board, it's hard not to. Just answer the ones you want. I imagine that typing can be a real challenge as well.
As for eating in restaurants, yes that would be tricky alright. However any "good" restaurant would be one which accomodates your needs as best they can, while at the same time not drawing any unwanted attention. As in my older relations case, when she first began developing symptome, people from her town gossiped about her that she must be drunk! I can't imagine her suffering. She never took a drop, and there really wasn't any understanding about it in those days. She is gone now, however she did not die of MS.
Thank you for your post, and for telling us about you. It's interesting that we have somewhat of a connection here, although this is not something that I have...........yet.
All my best to you and yours,
Kara
PS Do you sleep alright, or is that troublesome as well? Again, any or all of these can be rhetorical, it's up to you what you feel like sharing, as well as how difficult the typing is. Hopefully you have a laptop, as they are easier.........
Kara; Greetings. I have a lot of information that I can share and will be happy to if it will help anyone who might be newly diagnosed or like me, always looking for more updates. I am no expert but have lots of information from specialists on this subject and first hand information living with this disease. You ask about the male/female ratio for this and yes it does prefer female but will also effect males, I am not sure about the ratio but have herd that it is 60/40% for females. What causes MS symptoms? MS interrupts normal nerve function, the protective coating around healthy nerve fibers (axons) is called myelin. In many ways, myelin functions in a similar way as insulation does around the electrical wiring in your home. Myelin helps the nerves transmit signals from the central nervous system to the parts of the body that control physical function and cognition.However, people with MS, inflammation causes damage not only to the protective myelin shield, but to the nerve fibers themselves. This damage is called a lesion, or plaque. YOU SHOULD KNOW: A goal of early treatment is to reduce the frequency of flare-ups that cause inflammation and nerve damage, which can lead to physical disability. Now, to classify what types of MS one can have. 1. (CIS) Clinically Isolated Syndrome, or "Early MS." This describes someone having a flare-up lasting at least 24 hours (first sign of illness, usually with vision loss in one or both eyes). 2. Relapsing-remitting MS. This describes a condition when a person has had clearly defined flare-ups or relapses with SOME amount of recovery in between. RRMS affects about 80% of all people diagnosed with MS just like me, that is what I have. 3. Secondary Progressive MS. This is related to the Relapsing-remitting in #2. This describes a condition that seems like a relapsing form of MS in its early-to-mid stages, with relapses and remissions being quite common. Then a more continuous loss of physical and cognitive functions start to take over, and flare-ups or relapses become less common. 50% of people with RRMS will develop secondary progressive MS within 10 years of their initial diagnosis. 4. Primary Progressive MS. Describes a condition when a person has no flare-ups or relapses, but over a period of yeays, there is a gradual loss of physical and cognitive function. This affects about 10% of all people diagnosed with MS.
OK, sorry, its getting a bit long but the top part is very important to know and see just what can and usually does take place. I can only stress that getting diagnosed EARLY will help a lot. What you asked was the stage I have, look at #2, It started that way then it evolved into the #3. If you or anyone else needs more information, next I have contact information for a one on one talk.
Biogen Idec Patient Services (maker of Avonex) also a great handbook for the asking. 1-800-456-2255.
Web sites about MS. www.MSActiveSource.com www.UnderstandingMS.com
www.TheFamilyCaregiver.org www.NMSS.org www.MSassociation.org
I should say that by calling Biogen, ask for their very good handbook and DVD's, it helps with other resources and also financial help for getting your medication. They will also tell you what options are available to you, this did a lot of good for me and I know it will help others.
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Boy, howdy.............it sure will help a lot of people. I read every word, and it was well worth the read. Your explanations are very clear, and help to translate the situation for the average reader. Thank you SO VERY MUCH for taking the time here, along with providing contact information.
FR sent........
Sorry, forgot some other stuff; sleep is not easy at times, I use a prescribed sleeping aid about four times a week. The pill version (Galena) is what I am going for. I have an appointment with the MS/spinal cord injury unit at the veterans Hospital this coming Tuesday to get the dosage adjusted for me, this will take four days, this pill was released by the FDA just two months ago, there are several other pill versions coming soon.This information may sound scary, but this can be regulated where anyone can still have a good life. The genetic connection has not been proven.....so I guess we who have it are the lucky ones.
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Thank you for the additional information, smellsofpoo. I hope the adjustment to the sleep medication works well for you. I also hope you have a good Veterans hospital where you are. Ours is very good where we are. I have visited relations and friends in there and there were well cared for.
I am wondering about this genetic link, and I have to theorize that it goes along with the differing types of MS. It is genetic in my family, but as I said before, only with the females, and not all of them. I feel hopeful (and hope that you do as well) that a cure will be found. I know that a lot of research is being done on MS. I'm sure that for you it seems like a "hurry up and wait" situation.
Thanks again,
Kara
I have professional medical experience in helping direct caregivers diagnose autoimmune diseases. What I learned most while in this area of medicine is that many autoimmune symptoms..particularly in the beginning stages...are very diffuse in their symptoms which makes early diagnosis often hard for caregivers to do.
I also have direct personal experience with various autoimmune diseases in terms of helping to care for those that have them.
I have yet to see much autoimmune disease within my own family but feel it is only a matter of time until we all get one form or another of it just due to growing older due to its nature at the cellular level.
I hope all those with autoimmune symptoms and diseases get the care they need.
I wish I were able to continue my medical profession but as I caught one of my previous employers literally falsifying medical output and stood against it I fear I have sacrificed my medical profession but still would do it again if I knew patients would be protected against harm arising from knowingly and intentionally fraudulent medical informational outputs to unknowing direct medical providers. However, I can still encourage patients to care for themselves and help others to help themselves with my medical knowledge and long-term medical professional experience.
Do not give up....autoimmune medical care has a long way to go and there will likely be significant improvements in meds and treatments over the long run due to all the research still going on in this area of medicine.
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Thank you for your valuable comments, USC. I'm very sorry that you found yourself in the whistleblower category, this is most unfortunate, however you have your honour and that is the main thing. In fact I believe it is our reputation that serves us in this life and the next. You are a well respected member on the Vine here and I am sure as well by your colleagues.
Thank you,
Kara
PS It would be nice if you could set up a locked private group, you know, something like "The Dr is In" with appropriate disclaimers, etc. I have a question but I don't want to put it out there. Some others might want to seek your opinion as well............just a thought. No pressure zone, promise!
Kara: I've changed my Newsvine "jump through the window" email contact to be completely private. So if you or others want to ask me about anything it can be done privately and I will remain within my marital vows as there's no connection back to me that can be traced. I'm just an anonymous "voice" in cyberspace that can be contacted if necessary with something like a personal medical condition that for many reasons most would not care to post in a public forum like this one. And I understand medical privacy very well and will NOT myself share it with anyone if such a thing is shared with me.
This is somewhat of a change from what I've done in the past...but as my life is now in the midst of change anyway...this small change is not likely to make any difference to me for reasons I won't elaborate upon.
I don't "hit" on Ladies anyway either in cyber or real space as I have the unasked position of "you're all married" so you can be assured I won't be trying to involve you in any monkey business that might cause you a problem in your own relationship(s).
So if you want to communicate, do so, and I offer what I can in response.
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I don't "hit" on Ladies anyway either in cyber or real space as I have the unasked position of "you're all married" so you can be assured I won't be trying to involve you in any monkey business that might cause you a problem in your own relationship(s).
Yes, you have demonstrated that position repeatedly and it is most appreciated. Thank you.
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Kara, thank you for the FR, accepted, also go into my blog and scroll down a ways, there is more MS information there and a new blog I discovered by chance it is headlined as Multiple Sclerosis but nothing entered yet. When I come back from the hospital, I will post any fresh information there to help give it a boost.
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I'm not sure if there is a nominations process for the random act of vineness, but we are about to find out. You have singlehandedly done the community a great service here. You knew that MS is a possibility for me based on my family tree, and in fact you have educated us that it can come to anyone in a sudden onset way. I know that it is a devastating illness. You so generously gave of yourself here, by choosing a level of self-disclosure of symptoms and information that others might be helped. No motives other than to help your fellows.
I am overflowing with agape love, as well as tears in my eyes.
Kara
Thank you for accepting my FR and may I wish you the best in the hospital. Every now and then a person will have an effect on my life which transcends the profound, and this is one of those moments. Let's keep in touch, if you would like to.
Kara; I am touched by your remarks and also my helping others is the drive that keeps me going to spread the information to anybody that might go through this catastrophic disease. After just a short time of dealing with this I have already been assigned the 100% disability but I still feel that I someday will beat this monster and regain a more useful life,surrender is not an option, I will fight to the bitter end. And yes it is true...this disease does "smells of poo!". lets keep in touch, you can find something that I have missed and help me to help others. I wish you well and hope you stay healthy without MS. Thank you, William.
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I still feel that I someday will beat this monster
I think that you will as well, along with countless others. I'm not too technologically advanced, but I'd say that this is a very good usage of the Internet. Also, it is a disease that is getting it's due share at long last of reasearch dollars.
I understood your screen ID name.
Thanks for another post, William. Here's to you and everyone with this cruel disease regaining health,
Kara
Sorry, something happened while in edit mode to #7.1 comment.
I also wanted to blockquote the first line, which is yours.......
Secondly, I wanted to also give due credit to USC's valuable comments on this thread:
I also have direct personal experience with various autoimmune diseases in terms of helping to care for those that have them.
I have yet to see much autoimmune disease within my own family but feel it is only a matter of time until we all get one form or another of it just due to growing older due to its nature at the cellular level.
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Thank you for your kind recognition Kara!
The human body has in my opinion has a very low but detectable mount of "normal autoimmunity" which I think it it's way of using the immune system to "clean up" the debris from normal cellular turnover in most parts of the human body. My earlier comment - which Kara elected to recognize - is simply my gut belief that a lot of autoimmune disease represents this system becoming tired, ragged, or just plain to some point out-of-control the chances of which increase as we humans age and get older and older.
I applaud all those with the courage to continue to live life and love and not let the inevitable processes which cause all our bodies to degrade also degrade our lives.
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Thanks for your additional post here, USC.
Fortunately you have the medical background as well as the proclivities to share the information that you do have, so that I would certainly trust any "gut beliefs" that you have accumulated over years of expertise;
I applaud all those with the courage to continue to live life and love and not let the inevitable processes which cause all our bodies to degrade also degrade our lives.
And I second that emotion, for sure!!
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I visited the Rheumatologist a couple of weeks ago. I have lots of things going on, but no diagnosis. After a year of blood work with my family doctor, she referred to the Rheumatologist. He did rule out Lupus, but that's the only conclusion with my first visit. More blood work and a follow up visit in a couple of weeks.
It's very frustrating because I know something isn't right. I feel bad all the time, my joints hurt and I could sleep at any given moment of the day, yet my bloodwork is always fine. I'm tired of hearing "well, you are 40 now". I'm hoping to get answers with the new doctor.
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Laboratory tests do NOT always have a "positive" result even in the presence of disease.
Please continue following up with your pain until you find a way to ID it and try to get some relief. Inflammation has long term effects and if that's part of the cause of the pain the sooner it is addressed effectively, the better......
I hope you find this personal opinion to be of value.....
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Thank you US Citizen! I keep going back to my family doctor, each time it seems with a new ache, pain or swelling. Sometimes I'm embarrassed to go for fear they will think I'm a hypochondriac (sp?), but I know I'm not and I know something is going on, it's just trying to figure what it is. In the meantime they've given me an anti-inflammatory, which helps, but I want to know the root of the problem so we can concentrate on that.
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Thank you US Citizen! I keep going back to my family doctor, each time it seems with a new ache, pain or swelling. Sometimes I'm embarrassed to go for fear they will think I'm a hypochondriac (sp?), but I know I'm not and I know something is going on, it's just trying to figure what it is. In the meantime they've given me an anti-inflammatory, which helps, but I want to know the root of the problem so we can concentrate on that.
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Thank you US Citizen! I keep going back to my family doctor, each time it seems with a new ache, pain or swelling. Sometimes I'm embarrassed to go for fear they will think I'm a hypochondriac (not sure if I spelled that correctly), but I know I'm not and I know something is going on, it's just trying to figure what it is. In the meantime they've given me an anti-inflammatory, which helps, but I want to know the root of the problem so we can concentrate on that.
Thank you US Citizen! I keep going back to my family doctor, each time it seems with a new ache, pain or swelling. Sometimes I'm embarrassed to go for fear they will think I'm a hypochondriac, not sure if I spelled that correctly, but I know I'm not and I know something is going on, it's just trying to figure what it is. In the meantime they've given me something for inflammation, which helps, but I want to know the root of the problem so we can concentrate on that.
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Hi and welcome, Tip4ya, these days it all seems to come down to what your health plan will allow. If it does allow you to change specialists, then you might want to consider that. I know that I would, and that is speaking from experience. Many years ago I was referred to a Rheumatologist. She took about 5 min with me, then told me that I should have been a circus performer, since all of my joints were capable of hyper-extension and concluded that I had no problems and sent me on my "merry way". I indeed had some problems, which could have been addressed earlier on, but in retrospect I wished I had not accepted the conclusion. While it may have met her "time management skills", she did not have a decent protocol and it was a wasted visit on my part.
Simply because a Dr is a "specialist" doesn't meant that they are good specialist. Being told that "you're 40 now" isn't acceptable in my view. A lot of people are 40, and not everyone who is 40 feels bad or is presenting with your symptoms. An excellent tool is The Merck Manual, and I believe it may be on-line for free. If it isn't, it would be available from your local library (take an easy to carry bag or rucksack with you, as the book is very heavy and you don't want to hurt your joints more than they already do). Or you could just flip to the section there and read it, perhaps copy any relevant pages. You will find that RA is a difficult diagnosis to make, and that it is not simply via a blood test. Many who have RA do not have the marker in their blood.
Even if you have to remain with the same specialist, going in for your next appointment prepared with copies from The Merck, will let this Dr know that you intend to be your own best advocate for your health. Hopefully a good discussion will ensue, and you won't have wasted your time and your co-pay,
Good luck to you, and I hope you will get soon get the diagnosis you deserve to have. Maybe it's not RA, but it sure sounds like it is something. We know our own bodies, and no Dr, even the best, has YOUR body. Only you know how you feel, and that is LOUSY.
I agree with Kara that you must be your own advocate in particular if undiagnosed autoimmune disease is in the differential diagnosis.
The autoimmune diseases have at time been referred to as the "great imitators" in part because depending on what part of the body becomes the focus of the autoimmune response it can easily at the initial phases seem like a disease OF that organ instead of a disease caused by a self-immune response directed AT that organ.
In general connective tissue disorders the inflammation happens all over the body and the symptoms at first seen totally non-specific and are very hard to recognize as being autoimmune in orgin.
I can attest that when I was last involved in autoimmune disease testing that there was a LOT of interpretation involved in those results and thus that kind of background information and the additional opinion of a Doctor can have a whole lot of opinion and not much "data" backing it up behind any particular diagnosis.
Keep on working on your own issues until you yourself feel there has been a change or there is enough information to make you feel like you know what's going on. Do NOT give up until you have a good explanation or some treatment that works, or both.
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Sorry for the multiple posts above, for some reason I kept getting an error message, telling me to try again. I had no idea it would post each time I tried...
Kara, it was my family doctor that told me "well, you're 40" and wanted to put it off as general "old age" aches and pains or stiffness. The Rheumatoligist actually spent almost 2 hours with me, examining each joint and asking tons and tons of questions. He acknowledged there was a problem, but he's not sure what the problem is. I was so happy to hear someone say "yes, there's a problem here"! I've had so many visits with my family doctor and left feeling like I was crazy. It was nice to know that I'm not really crazy! LOL! I'm waiting for my follow up visit to see what the new blood work may or may not show. I've looked and looked online but can't seem to find anything that fits everything perfectly. I've read where RA is different for everyone and most doctors use a set guideline for diagnosis.
I will check out the Merck Manual!
Thanks so much US Citizen and Kara! I truly appreciate your input!
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Sorry for the multiple posts above, for some reason I kept getting an error message, telling me to try again. I had no idea it would post each time I tried...
Bet you got a "Bubblegum post"......in your case it went into overtime...........lol........happens to most of us some time or another. It's nothing you did wrong, just a system error.
Wow, so happy to know that you are being well taken care of now by your Rheumatologist, and that a diagnosis or better treatment may be on the way soon.
I was seeing a general doc (many of whom are fine, and I have a GREAT one now) many years ago, and I finally had to suggest the specialty to refer myself to...........LOL, huh?
Fortunately I hit the nail on the head, but it was a random point and click, so to speak.
Hope you'll be feeling better soon..........
Kara
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Kara, yes it was a "bubblegum post". First time for me! LOL!
So far I'm pleased with the Rheumatologist, although I've only seen him once. At least he acknowledges there's a problem, and the problem isn't that I'm 40 now! LOL! I'm anxious for my follow up visit to see what the new bloodwork shows. Since he's not sure what the problem is, it might be a while before I get a diagnosis. I'm encouraged, but also frustrated. At least things are moving forward now.
Thank you for your kind words!
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Yes, that's the main thing, for things to be moving forward. It is truly difficult to wait, but sounds like now that you have a doc who is listening to you, well it sounds positive in that regard, although it's hard to feel the way you do of course!!
Good luck with everything........
Kara
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I stumbled upon this excellent link for RA:
http://www.drugs.com/health-guide/rheumatoid-arthritis.html#
though I'd be careful about some of the treatments, such as steroids and the newer injections. Yet I found it a very inclusive article, with resources attached.
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