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Tortitude

Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:37 AM EST
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By Kara Shalee
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My friend linked above has inspired me to write an article about my tortiseshell mix cat. We rescued her from a shelter, as we were looking for a companion cat following the death of a very special cat (as anyone knows, they are all special). It was a very difficult project, since the remaining cat was beyond shy, he was obviously the runt of the litter. So we had to "choose wisely" (borrowing from the television host of Cash Cab, Ben Bailey). We had to make sure that the cat chosen would not intimidate or dominate the existing cat. Finally we came upon a cage full of approximately a half dozen cats. They all had plenty of room, and were able to find their own "place" in the cage. One was especially docile, and seemed to be begging with her eyes to be taken out of the place. We chose her to come home with us. She was already spade and we paid the adoption fees. Included was her "wellness checkup" with a Veternary clinic. We got an excellent Vet, who examined Missie and took lab tests. She remarked that Missy was "unusual for her breed". I did not know the meaning of this, and so I asked questions. I was told by the Doctor that normally Torties were quite a lively breed, so this one seemed to be bucking the trend that the Doctor had seen. We returned home with Missie. We decided to change her name, but that didn't last long. She knew her name, and so we reverted to calling her Missie. She was slow to integrate into the family, and thankfully and best of all, she did not dominate the shy male cat. They were estimated to be the same age, 4 years old at the time of Missy's adoption.

Soon Missy began clawing the furniture. My husband was furious, as he had just purchased an antique chair at a nice price. He does not tolerate animals destroying the house. I couldn't care less, but of course, in a family relationship, all needs of the parties must be respected. Try as I might, I could not train Missie to stop scratching his favourite chair. He threatened to take her back to the shelter! I had to crack the code on Miissie, and quickly. I would chide her with "Missiy, stop that", and then direct her to the stratching board. She wasn't having it. At last I realized that saying her name was rewarding to her. The next time I caught her scratching the furniture, I took her into a small room, closed the door, and set the timer for 5 minutes. When the bell rang, I released her. I said nothing. After approximately four times of this "time out", Missie got the point.

She now runs to her scratching board and vigorously claws it, for which she receives a great deal of praise. She is told "good Missy" and given lots of petting.

Everything with Missy is a negotiation. She is extremely high maintainance, and has probably the highest vocabulary of any cat I have ever had. On a daily basis, she lets us know when she would like to play, what toys she would like to play with (she doesn't do much alone, as she craves the interaction), exactly when she would like her water changed, and when she feels that her dry food bowl is on the low side.

She is a wonderful little communicator of her needs, however it is not a one way street with Missy. She is attached to me at the hip. I have heard of this pattern before with torties. They tend to bond with the female of the household.

In my darkest hours, Missy has sensed my mood, and comforted me. She is a mirror of my moods, and I suppose I have become a mirror of her moods as well. In this way, we are best friends. As with anything in life, Missy is to be negotioated with. She keeps us on our toes. At this point, we wouldn't have it any other way. She is truly special. Thank you, js, for inspiring this simple offering.

 

 

 

 

 

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Kara Shalee

Once I inserted the link to js's column, something went wrong with the lettering. I tried to fix it, but I don't know how. If anyone knows how to fix the lettering so that is is all of the same size, please help!!

Promise I don't have tortitude myself here, though you never know. Missy is lying at my feet at this very moment, and she is always plotting something :D.

I do love my Missy very much, and this is the story of how we became inseparable friends.

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:46 AM EST
lauhal

Awwww....she's beautiful! I love the perfect line down her nose. Very kissable!! :)

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:47 AM EST
Kara Shalee

Thanks, lauhal, she does like petting down her nose. Missy knows what she wants and gets it, alright!! Thanks for stopping in..........I go to your page for your writing but I can't find it. What gives?

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:42 PM EST
lauhal

Too busy to write a thing. :o

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:48 PM EST
Kara Shalee

I'm sorry.......... (:

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:18 PM EST
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rottlady

Kara, you would have to go into the XMTML mode to fix the type, but I wouldn't worry about it. It's the link that made it happen, if you had placed in at the last, or even within the article it probably wouldn't do it.

Missy is just so cute! I love how you trained her to stay away from scratching the furniture. Nice job!

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:20 AM EST
Kara Shalee

Thanks for the help, rottlady. I'm so happy to know that it's not really important to fix, but I have a tip on links up for the future.

Yeah, I made such a bonding with Missy that I had to figure her out and quick!! BTW, my husband later said that he never would have taken her back...........but he got me into gear to get the job done anyway, so it worked out!!

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:45 PM EST
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Jackie-2759125

"and has probably the highest vocabulary of any cat I have ever had. On a daily basis, she lets us know when she would like to play, what toys she would like to play with (she doesn't do much alone, as she craves the interaction), exactly when she would like her water changed, and when she feels that her dry food bowl is on the low side.

She is a wonderful little communicator of her needs, however it is not a one way street with Missy. She is attached to me at the hip. I have heard of this pattern before with torties. They tend to bond with the female of the household.

In my darkest hours, Missy has sensed my mood, and comforted me. She is a mirror of my moods, and I suppose I have become a mirror of her moods as well. In this way, we are best friends. As with anything in life, Missy is to be negotioated with. She keeps us on our toes. At this point, we wouldn't have it any other way. She is truly special. Thank you, js, for inspiring this simple offering."

I can relate to all of this above with my long hair cat Amber. We like to joke that she's like Mrs Weasley from Harry Potter when we've been away too long. When we get home we get the "Where have you BEEEEEN?!!!" What a beautiful lady you chose. Thank you for sharing her (and your stories) with us. The way you figured out how to get her to stop scratching is awesome.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:24 AM EST
Kara Shalee

Thank you, Jackie, I know you are a big cat and dog and animals in general person yourself! So it was nice also hearing about your long hair kitty named Amber (nice name). They rule to roost, but once you let them in your heart, it's all over, isn't it?

Always nice to see you, Jackie. And reminds me to post on your article about the strange dx you received. I read the article, then got sidetracked. Cats don't really get sidetracked...........LOL.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:49 PM EST
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Steven of Coulterville

And they say cats aren't trainable. Kara, that was an inspired way of dealing with a problem. I've used it a time or two; it works with some cats, but not others. They really are independent creatures.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:36 PM EST
Kara Shalee

Hi Steven, thanks for dropping by. Interesting to know that you have used it a time or two yourself, but as you say, with some cats and not others. I have to agree with you here. It would absolutely terrorize some cats, and they would never be the same, or trust on the same level. I am happy that you mentioned this word of caution..........as it cannot be applied in an indiscriminate manner!!

They really are independent creatures.

Yes, they are. And this is where people who swear that they are not, and can never be, "cat people" have things a little mixed up, in my opinion. This way you have put it into it's proper context. Cats are extremely sociably minded. Many people make the mistake of the "independent" tag to mean that cats are aloof. I've found that not to be so at all.

Great comments, thank you so much!!

PS Missy is at my feet again, I swear she just loves her name mentioned. Probably likes seeing it in print............LOL

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:40 PM EST
js-445607

My cats have always been trainable to a degree that I can accept. Sometimes Tucker puts his ears back and back talks me when I tell him he can't do something or is nagging me too much but he's a good kitty.

The colony certainly train each other. The have hierarchy and all comply. They don't fight among each other and that's amazing to me since there are 15 of them. The only problem I have is with one that isn't part of the group and lives next door. I think his problem is he isn't neutered. My kitties are very affectionate with one another.

  • 1 vote
#4.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:57 PM EST
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js-445607

Missy is a beauty, Kara, and I love hearing about her personality. Missy looks a bit like the Torti that didn't return after the field was cleared. She had a half solid black face with a white ruff. I am quite partial to the Tortis and they certainly do have individual personalities. Both Callie and Pixie are affectionate from afar and seem to know just how everything is done in the kitty colony. Callie teams up with the big black cat and one long hair orange tabby and they are tight buddies. Pixie is a loner and this bothers me but she gets along with everyone and seems content so I guess I'll have to be content with this.

I loved your remark about your husband and his chair. I'm not inclined to be bothered by kitties scratching where they may but luckily all of mine loved their scratching poles. I had a single young male neighbor ask me to care for his kitty for a few days. I laughed so hard after he showed me his apartment as everything was shredded. His stereo speakers, the furniture, all the wood and everything that was in sight. I knew he loved his kitty no matter what kind of manners it may have. It was a lovely kitty.

Thanks for linking my article. That was very sweet of you dear, friend.

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:43 PM EST
Kara Shalee

Sure, js, not a problem at all for linking your article. After all, I did get the inspiration from your article, so credit should always go where due. BTW, interesting aside, is that your picture linked up as well for awhile, too bad it didn't stick as it's such a lovely one!

As I recall, in your article, you weren't always sure about the sex of the cats. I'm going to go out on a limb here (sorry about the pun to their REALLY wilder cousins in the cat family, lol) and guess that the big black cat and the long haired orange tabby are males. Torties will make great pals with the male cats, and don't always do as well with other females.

Regarding Pixie getting along with everyone, well that's absolutely great. I have a friend with a Tortie and hers is that way also. I guess that they (cats) always keep us guessing, and learning!!

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:50 PM EST
Shelby Davenport

js - Pixie???!!!

BTW, don't know if you know this, but the sex of calicos is like 99% female. Males are extremely rare, and they are sterile.

  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:04 PM EST
js-445607

Knowing the sex of the cats is really tough once they've been neutered or spayed. I keep trying to see them from behind but since I can't pick them up this is a big issue.

I was told that a male Torti is rare, have you heard this also? Perhaps the reason mine get along so well together is that they are abandoned cats. I haven't figured that one out either. It just amazes me that they are so affectionate with one another. The ones that are hooked up as buddies don't mind the others but they don't bother them either. I find it so sweet when one will come over to the edge of the yard and call out to a buddy and wait for them to arrive so I know they aren't always together in the field.

Last night one was fussing up a storm as they were on the other side of the fence on the neighbor's property. I kept telling it to come over and finally it figured out that it had gone the wrong way. This kitty is one of my favorites as it continually fusses yet is very loving.

That is my photo in my avatar. It was taken at the beach. This weekend my daughter is leaving me her car for the week so I'll be hitting the beach nearly every day again. I can't wait.

  • 2 votes
#5.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:04 PM EST
Kara Shalee

PS, js-I feel a bit sad about Pixie being such a loner. Some people dump their Torties because they haven't made the effort to understand about them. At any rate, she sounds very introspective for sure.

I noticed with Missy, that unlike other rescue animals that we'd had from the past, that she absolutely went "on alert" at certain sounds. Certain phone "ring tones" or doorbell sounds from a television programs, for instance. It gave me a window into trying to understand her past family and how she grieved for them. Which is probably why she was "acting up" a lot in the beginning. Like a wounded child, she could not forget. It is very sad to me that some people get kittens or puppies or bunnies, etc when they are babies, and then couldn't care less about them as they become full grown.

  • 1 vote
#5.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:12 PM EST
Shelby Davenport

Yes - male calicos are extremely rare - maybe 1% - and ALL male calicos are sterile.

They are also such a mix of cats. My Pixie had 4 kittens - a short hair salt/pepper calico, a long hair calico, a long hair orange and white, and the most beautiful Lilac Point Siamese!

  • 2 votes
#5.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:13 PM EST
js-445607

I certainly shed my share of kitty pity tears, Kara. My heart breaks thinking these kitties have no real home. Every time one of them trusts me my heart bursts with joy. When I went to talk to the neighbors about their kitties before they moved they showed me one very shy older cat. She a Torti yet looks almost white. I think she is the mother of the big black one as they have the same body style and face and none of the other look remotely like they do. She is still very skiddish and although she comes to feed the slightest annoyance sends her running.

It amazed me how quickly the kitty word got out that there was a new feeding station. I kept adding kitties day by day. I do feel very happy that they trust me enough to come to feed and hang out for a while each day. I'm a bit nervous as a house is going up on the lot and I hope the schedule doesn't conflict with their eating schedule. I'm pretty sure this will be fine but hopefully all the new stuff won't scare them away. I spoke to the contractor yesterday and explained the situation and he said he didn't think it would be an issue. I also told him they were snoopy and he was OK with this also. This gave me a lot of peace of mind.

  • 2 votes
#5.6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:31 PM EST
Kara Shalee

I was told that a male Torti is rare, have you heard this also?

Yes, they are nearly always female. Same with Calicos.

I really can't speculate as to why your colony gets along so well. I have met others who maintain feral colonies, however I've never had the amount of time to spend with them that I would have liked. At the free-roam shelter, we know several of them by now. There is one who is mostly black, and so very friendly. Apparently he has been fostered a few times, but no one keeps him. His "place" is very high up, so that may explain some things. But personally, I think that he likes it there!! He would miss his buddies if he left. I think he chooses to stay on.

So, your kitty from the colony that you tend who is fussing, do you mean that he or she is a talker? This since gets easily lost, may have some neurological deficits. We have had a couple of those, and they turn out to be extremely loving.

  • 1 vote
#5.7 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:57 PM EST
Kara Shalee

Hi Shelby!!

Thanks for the affirm on the sex of Torties. I didn't know the reason, though, is because the males are sterile...........I guess the same might be true of Calico's??

  • 1 vote
#5.8 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:01 PM EST
Kara Shalee

js, it is interesting to observe the lineage of cats. And yes, what an honour to have them trust you so. I think it was definitely the right thing to do to have the conversation that you had with the contractor who will be "messing up" their area. It's also pretty great that he was OK with their ways.

The cats from your colony look exceptionally healthy. I have observed some colonies in my area, but I'd have to say that you win first prize from what I have seen. But I am always impressed to see that someone has taken the time to properly take care of our feral friends. It's very heartwarming. The free roam shelter I was telling you about has people who help in several ways. Some make financial donations, others drop off food and treats, some maintain colonies up in the hilly areas surrounding (which I haven't seen of course), and some just come by to donate their time and love. Once a year, they have a BBQ in late summer, so that supporters or new friends can come by and interact. I so love this place, but their operating costs are huge. Of course, they aren't the only one in the country. But there should be more like them. I won't give to the better known "names" out there, since they are kill shelters. Many cats are rescued from these and at least given a home for the rest of their lives, either by individuals or by this no kill shelter.

I believe that your cats do have a real home. It's great to hear how they buddy up with each other. And of course, best of all, they wait for YOU!!

  • 1 vote
#5.9 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:21 PM EST
js-445607

As soon as the fussy one gets into the yard all is fine. It would cry from across the street for a the first few months and I would call to it to come over. Now it still has to meow a bunch when it's on it's way yet not as much. It is so cute and I was just outside in the dark talking with the leftover kitties and it was so content watching me. In the morning it is waiting for me on the landing along with a younger short hair kitty.

Advocats is a great organization on the island and I truly admire their dedication. Most of the feeders dump food and run but I'm happy my JS Cafe is in my yard as I can interact with the cats and they get a bit more "people time". They look and act really healthy to me and quite content and this was my goal.

  • 2 votes
#5.10 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:11 AM EST
Kara Shalee

Your fussy one touches my heart, and yours, obviously!!

I am happy that you have an Advocats on the Island. JS Cafe sounds like a wonderful haven of friends. Thank you so much for sharing about your cats, both on this article and on yours, js.

Best,

Kara

    #5.11 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:28 AM EST
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    Shelby Davenport

    I have such a soft spot for calico cats because of my exceptionally smart Pixie. Like your Missie, she had the half black, half brown nose, only she was a short hair.

    Your Missie is BEAUTIFUL!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:15 PM EST
    js-445607

    The fuzzy Torti is Pixie, Shelby, named after your kitty. The name suits her perfectly as she's small very beautiful and as sweet as can be. The way she walks and plays reminds me of a little pixie. Her coat is longer and she has a beautiful white ruff that accentuates her colors. I love having a name for her. Thanks.

    • 2 votes
    #6.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:08 PM EST
    Shelby Davenport

    ;-) That's nice!

    • 2 votes
    #6.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:14 PM EST
    Kara Shalee

    I have such a soft spot for calico cats because of my exceptionally smart Pixie.

    Shelby, my friend who now has a Tortie, had only dogs prior to her (also) exceptionally smart calico kitty. She was calling me and another friend who'd had quite a bit of experience with cats. She got her kitty when just a kitten, and delighted in her play. She had to switch from dogs to cats due to her health problems. She is now completely hooked on cats.

    It was so tragic when she lost her first kitty best friend earlier this year. She retreated in grief, and I sent cards to her, but I understood that she had to grieve in her own way. We didn't talk or email for 6 months. She swore she would never get another one, but now has two. They are older, and because the prior "owner" had so ignored them, she's nearly gone broke with their vet bills. One had bladder stones and had to have an operation, and the other had to have an operation as well. My friend is doing such a service here, as her two "new old" kitties never were recognized as a part of a family before her TLC. One cat never replaces another of course, but at least she has found that she can still be a 'mom' to these two unfortunates. They have taken a long time to trust her, and it is always interesting to hear about her new stories of how they are coming along.

    Thank you for posting, Shelby.

    (((((All who love animals and care for them)))))

    If you can't have one due to landlord restrictions, then perhaps there is a place where you could borrow them for a few hours. Hope anyone interested could learn the ins and outs of maintaining a colony of cats, or visit with a free roam animal shelter on a regular basis That way, you can have special ones also in your life.............just a thought.

    • 1 vote
    #6.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:34 PM EST
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    Steven of Coulterville

    As I've been reading about all these kitties and their good friends, my Trouble is asleep on my lap, and her uncle, Livingstone, is asleep in his usual place atop my computer.

    Back in October, when I replaced my humongous old computer with a nice new little one, I thought it was a great idea. As it turns out, having a twenty pound male cat asleep atop a twelve pound computer is fine, but if he twitches in his sleep, he falls in one direction, and the computer topples in the other. And what does Livingstone do? He glares at me and disappears in a puff of orange and white fur, offended that I wasn't smart enough to get a cat-sized computer!

    Someone once told me that 9 in 10 Orange Tabbies were male. Well, statistics can be wrong; I have three female Orange Tabbies, and two male Orange Tabbies. I'm not certain that applies to other cat/coloration schemes though.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:41 PM EST
    Kara Shalee

    Great stories about your current kitty family, Steven. Isn't it so great when they twitch in their sleep? I've heard that this is their REM sleep. If I could bottle our male cat's formula, I would be Oh so contented with sweet dreams always.

    Had an orange Tabbie as well as a grey Tabbie, and both were male. But then, as I think back, the female from that litter was also a Tabbie, just not as pronounced. Seem to remember that she had some white in her as well. They were all ferals, and so I had to trap each one for the spay/neuter procedures. This was over 20 years ago, and it required a lot of patience, several months, and a pretty bad bite which went all the way through my finger. The females were placed at Ranches as "farm cats" since they could not be tamed.

    It took 16 months, but the two male tabbies were eventually tamed on their own terms. They retained some of the feral, but were oh so gentle. They came in at night and the three of us fell to sleep on the couch............oh for sweet memories. One (the grey tabbie) has come to me in dreams. He was particularly grateful to discover human touch, and used to drool while being petted!!

    Check your email......

    • 1 vote
    #7.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:01 AM EST
    Steven of Coulterville

    Kara, e-mail checked. request accepted, and gladly!

    • 1 vote
    #7.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:27 AM EST
    Kara Shalee

    Thank you

      #7.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:14 AM EST
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      US Citizen-658112

      I'm very allergicto cat dander and that was what stopped me from being married to one Lady. She could not bear to be without her beloved cats...and the cats would definitely have killed me via my allergy to them according to the Doc I consulted before making my final go/no go decision on marriage to her.

      But I don't mind them and do realize they have unique characteristics that make them fun and interesting to be around.

      One thing I will share is that if you're very allergic to cats and don't do a thing to try to make them come to you or pick them up....that is a SURE attractant and you can be sure they will show up, wrap themselves around your neck, and beg for attention as they purr away waiting to be recognized.

      The dog I used to have that is in my avatar absolutely had it in for cats in the typical dog vrs cat fashion and several times when chase was taken up it was proved to me that cats and dogs go just as fast and that's natures way of exercising them I guess. My GSD never caught a cat so I never had to find out if it or the cat would back down. And for that I'm glad as that GSD had about no back down in it. Up to the last moments of it's life it had positioned itself squarely between myself and everyone else in the vet room...ready to it's last breath to defend me. I cried openly at the sight and still tear up at the thought of loyalty at that level. I think this is how others feel about the cats they have...and I share with you my respect for animals and the love we have for them and them for us.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#8 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:25 AM EST
      Kara Shalee

      One thing I will share is that if you're very allergic to cats and don't do a thing to try to make them come to you or pick them up....that is a SURE attractant and you can be sure they will show up, wrap themselves around your neck, and beg for attention as they purr away waiting to be recognized

      lol, USC...........spot on!!

      With regards the love that is between person and companion animal (s), well yes there aren't any true words to describe it, nor the grief that we feel when their time with us comes to an end. Of course you cried openly, and it would be strange if you did not, and still do at the thought of her. The bonding between species is one of the most special of gifts that we receive on earth. We had a wake for one of our cats in a pub we used to frequent at the time. We toasted him and cried and as we knew all of the wait staff there as friends they joined in. Now as I look back upon his life with us, I realize that he literally "got me through" the most difficult years of my life. I do not feel that he was placed here with that in mind, or should I say I don't know, but it is interesting at best to note it. He was the last in a long series of deaths, and died in my arms, the only cat to do so. Each animal companion has been special in it's own way, and many stories could be written about each one. May they rest in peace, and greet us across The Rainbow Bridge.............the loveliest of poems that I know. I want to see each one of them again, as each one is remembered from childhood on til now. I lit a candle for many years upon his date of death, and it is forever seared in my mind and my heart. I do know how you grieve your loss, and I think you hit on the right word here, and it is loyalty. One does not get that from every person, however from the animal companions it is a guarantee.

      All the Best,

      Kara

      • 1 vote
      #8.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:42 AM EST
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      Fed up in Missouri

      What a beautiful cat! You're very lucky to have her, and she's very lucky to have you!!! :)

      • 2 votes
      Reply#9 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:09 PM EST
      Kara Shalee

      Thanks, Fed Up. She sure is a fun kitty...... and teaches me so very much. I sometimes wonder how I'll every say good-bye to her, but I just can't bear the thought of it.

      So happy that you stopped by and took the time for the read.

      :)

      • 2 votes
      #9.1 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:20 AM EST
      Fed up in Missouri

      I feel the same way about Ray Ray. I don't know how I'll ever say goodbye. It's so hard to lose fur babies. :(

      • 3 votes
      #9.2 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:38 PM EST
      Kara Shalee

      An impossible thought..........

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